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We have liquid nitrogen slowly boiling away in a
foam bowl. We put a penny into the liquid
nitrogen. We see some vigorous bubbling around
the penny. After awhile, the bubbling suddenly
crescendos to a big burst, with sound and some
splattering, before quickly settling down to
quiet bubbling with small bubbles. What's this
burst all about? I would have thought
intuitively that as the penny cooled down and
reached some equilibrium temperature the bubbling
would settle down in a smooth way. Thanks!
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Question Date: 2008-08-25 | | Answer 1:
Sorry for the very late reply: I wanted to
reproduce this in the lab before answering. I'm
assuming you were asking why it behaves this way,
getting more vigorous before it gets quieter?
Here's my lab report... :-) Experiment: I
dropped various pennies, one at a time, into a
quiet, insulated cup of liquid nitrogen, and
watched the reaction of the liquid nitrogen for
each one. Results (Observations): What I
observed is similar to what you describe. The
liquid nitrogen bubbles vigorously near the penny,
then rather suddenly bubbles a LOT, then even more
suddenly gets very quiet. This was the same
whether I tried old pennies or new, and even
pennies cleaned in solvents to remove finger oils.
There was no visible change to the pennies
sitting in the bottom of the liquid
nitrogen. Discussion (Opinions): What I
believe is happening is that the liquid nitrogen
is temporarily and partially insulated from the
warm penny by a layer of gas, which reduces the
rate of boiling. Liquid nitrogen evaporates so
quickly near a warm object that the liquid never
touches the object. Instead, a thin gas layer
forms between the warm object and the rest of the
liquid. As this gas (a series of bubbles) rises
through the liquid, more liquid evaporates to
replenish the gas layer. This effect is why you
sometimes see people rolling droplets of liquid
nitrogen around in their open palm. Actual liquid
would absorb a lot of heat from your palm very
quickly, causing a burn, but liquid doesn't
actually touch the palm, it floats on rapidly
evaporating gas. (This trick is a bit dangerous:
If the droplet stays in one place, or if it gets
trapped between your fingers or in the fold of
clothing, you can get severe frostbite.) I also
suspect that there's a gas layer coating the
entire back of the penny as it sits on the bottom
of the cup, but I couldn't see through my cup to
be sure. Once the penny cools down to just
above -196C (the temperature at which liquid
nitrogen boils), the gas layer no longer protects
the liquid from the penny. Some liquid gets
through the bubbles and actually touches the
penny. The penny is still warm enough to boil
liquid, though, so the little bit of liquid that
does touch the penny suddenly boils, which is why
you see the big burst of bubbles near the end.
But the liquid in contact with the penny also
cools the penny rapidly, which is why it stops
bubbling. After the penny finally cools down to
-196C, the nitrogen basically stops bubbling,
because the penny is too cold to cause it to
boil. As an aside... You might have noticed
that I skipped the "Hypothesis" section of most
lab reports. Despite what's taught in textbooks,
this is actually the way most science is done in
an actual laboratory: make observations about
something interesting, then try to figure it out
after the fact (form a hypothesis), then go back
and test your hypothesis with a "controlled"
experiment. The hypothesis doesn't always come
first, but it should still be tested at some
point. What would be a good test for my
hypothesis about the temperature of the penny and
the gas layer above? Hope this helps... | | Answer 2:
Since the penny is so hot compared to the
liquid nitrogen, it transfers its heat to the
surroundings so that the nitrogen vaporizes and
becomes a gas (like a nitrogen carpet around the
penny). Eventually the penny loses its heat
through the transfer and the nitrogen bubble
bursts. Hope this helps, | | Answer 3:
The sudden burst of bubbling most likely is
related to the heat flow - temperature diagram
that you can create for a liquid proceeding to a
boil. I have created a schematic (attached). As
you introduce the liquid nitrogen to the
penny/bowl system, you raise the temperature of
the liquid nitrogen such that it starts boiling.
As the temperature of the liquid nitrogen
(remember, only at that interface around the
penny) approaches the boiling temperature, no more
heat can go into raising the temperature of the
liquid nitrogen without undergoing a phase change
(the plateau in the curve). Most likely, the
items in the bowl (penny) have not equilibrated at
that temperature. Therefore, there is a sudden
burst of boiling (vigor 5 as you describe) as all
of the heat (at the liquid/penny interface) must
go into the latent heat of vaporization. You
may wonder why you see bubbling before this, but
you have to remember that this is a statistical
process and some nitrogen molecules will reach the
boiling temperature before the others, according
to a bell curve of population (Boltzmann
statistics). When that shell of liquid (in contact
with the external surfaces) reach the boiling
temperature, and are not yet at equilibrium with
the whole system, then all of the heat flow must
go into boiling, which is why you see Vigor 5
boiling for an extended time. Finally, the
penny/bowl temperature will reach equilibrium with
the temperature of the liquid nitrogen. It is
hard to describe, because you are not working with
a "closed" system (it is open to the atmosphere),
so you really just have to think of that
interface. | | Answer 4:
Does this also happen when you put the liquid
nitrogen in the bowl alone? I observe this
phenomena on a daily basis when we fill up a
thermos with the liquid nitrogen. You can think
of it like this: Imagine taking an empty
cooking pot and putting it on the stove, allowing
it to get extremely hot. When you pour water into
the pot, you see a violent bubbling event with
the water as it quickly attempts to boil off,
with the bubbling eventually settling down after
a dramatic bubbling finale. This is because the
skin of the water (the surface) in contact with
the pot is attempting to match the temperature of
the pot, very quickly. As soon as that interface
between the pot and the water no longer has the
large temperature difference, the reaction calms
(you may see a slow boil). The same is
happening with the Nitrogen. The liquid nitrogen
is at a temperature of roughly minus 196 degrees
Celsius (77 Kelvin). When it touches anything
that is room temperature, it starts to boil,
slowly at first, and then vigorously. This is
what you see at first in the bowl with the penny.
When the surface of the bowl and the penny reach
an equivalent temperature to the liquid nitrogen
(-196*C), the nitrogen will stop vigorously
boiling. There will continue to be a slow
bubbling, as the surface of the air over the
liquid nitrogen is constantly moving around, and
warm (room temperature) air is coming in. I
hope that this helps! | | Answer 5:
I've observed a similar thing with cold traps
that we use to protect vacuum pumps from solvent
vapor. The glass body of the trap gets submerged
into liquid nitrogen so that the solvents condense
into a solid even in the high vacuum the pump
generates. I don't "know" the answer, but
here is what I think is happening. It obviously
has to do with the temperature of the part
submerged into the liquid nitrogen,which decreases
with time. Initially, one would expect that the
nitrogen would boil more violently the warmer the
item submerged is. Just think of water gently
boiling in a pot (where the pot is at or nearly at
the boiling temperature of water) vs. water
dripped into a pot that has been on the stove for
a while and therefore is a lot hotter than the
boiling temperature of water. However, there
is another phenomenon to be aware of. The boiling
point of nitrogen is around 200 deg C lower than
room temperature. So compared with the nitrogen,
anything dipped into it is so "hot" that a buffer
layer of nitrogen gas is generated instantaneously
from the layer of liquid nitrogen around the
immersed object. This is why one can dip a finger
quickly and briefly into liquid nitrogen (don't
try this at "home") and it doesn't even feel cold.
And asmall splash of liquid nitrogen on the skin
immediately turns into little balls of liquid that
buzz around and don't feel cold unless they get
trapped (e.g. by a hair) and stay in one place,
when they generate painful
frostbite. Anyways, combining these two
observations, I assume that at first, the penny is
so "hot" that the nitrogen has "trouble reaching
it" because of the buffering gas layer that is
generated and therefore can't bubble as wildly as
one would expect. Once the penny cools down
somewhat, the buffer layer disappears and the
boiling actually gets more vigorous, since more
nitrogen can come into contact with the penny.
This cools it further, and once it's very close to
the temperature of the surrounding nitrogen, only
very gently bubbling is observed.In the end, the
penny will only be a source of bubbles because the
nitrogen is boiling just like water is in a pot,
and the penny acts like a boiling chip for
liquids, where the surface nooks and crannies
facilitate nucleation of bubbles. Hope this helps, Click Here to return to the search form.
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