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Hi! In my first attempt to disprove the first
postulate of the theory of relativity, I may be
incorrect because distances and time change as an
object moves. Because of this, it may not be
possible for an observer in an inertial frame of
reference to detect if they are at rest or moving
uniformly in this way. But I do have another way
in mind that I would like to ask you guys about,
its based on some principles of simultaneity: If
an observer is in a box (without knowing that it
is moving or at rest) and they have one light
bulb on a wall of the box and another light bulb
on a second wall (facing each other) The observer
turns on both lights at the same time. Wouldnt
the observer be able to detect if they were
moving or at rest due to when they percieve the
light to reach them? If they are moving, light
from one light bulb would reach them first, but
if they were not moving, light from both light
bulbs would reach them at the same time. Is this
true? Could this method be implemented in
disproving einsteins first postulate? Thank you
for your help, I hope to hear from you guys soon!
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Question Date: 2010-04-22 | | Answer 1:
I see you answered your first question yourself
-the answer to this one is indeed what you are
guessing: simultaneity. Put simply, if the box is
moving, and the observer inside of the box
measures the two light bulbs turning on at exactly
the same time, then an external observer who is at
rest will notice the light bulbs turning on at
different times, assuming said external observer
could see inside the box (which kind of defeats
the purpose of having the box in the first place,
of course). What the "at rest" observer will see
is that the signal sent through the nervous system
of the person inside of the moving box will be
delayed, or accelerated, in such a way that the
light bulbs will turn on at different times so
that their light can strike the moving observer's
eyes simultaneously. Basically, the
underlying principle behind special relativity is
that there is no "at rest". If the walls of your
box are transparent, then you won't be able to
tell if the box is moving and the person outside
is standing still, or if the entire world is
moving by and the box is the only thing that is
not moving. "At rest" is merely a convention that
we used to describe physics relative to a very
large object with a great deal of inertia - if you
are at rest, and then you are not moving relative
to the portion of the Earth that you are standing
on. Of course, you are not at rest relative to the
center of the Earth (unless you're standing on the
pole), since the Earth is rotating, and you're not
at rest relative to the sun, or the center of the
galaxy, etc. | | Answer 2:
The main flaw with your conclusion lies in the
basic tenet of relativity: namely, the speed
of light is constant in ANY inertial reference
frame.Things will proceed as you describe them,
but only for people in a frame of reference
outside the box looking in. For the person inside
the box, the speed of light is constant in the
box's frame of reference. So events will proceed
exactly as they would in a box at rest...because
the box IS at rest in this frame (by
definition)! Relativity thus predicts some
weird things, like the loss of simultaneity (e.g.,
the lights in your question turn on at the same
time in the box's reference frame, but at
different times in the outside reference frame)
and time dilation (like your light clocks would
show). But these things have been measured and
shown to be spot on. So, if you are okay
with the speed of light being a constant in any
inertial reference frame, and okay with all
inertial reference frames being equal, then one
has to be okay with the loss of simultaneity and
all the other weird (and cool) things special
relativity predicts!! Click Here to return to the search form.
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