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How do we know that the earth revolves around the
sun? Is the sun in a fixed position? The sun is
seen crossing the sky, but so is the moon. Isn't
the center of anything relative to your position?
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Question Date: 1998-01-08 | | Answer 1:
Our notions of the motions in the universe have
been built up over several thousands years of
observations; in other words, it has taken humans
thousands of years to unravel the motions. This
is made difficult because we are part of the
system itself. However, we do now know with
certainty a number of things:
1.The
universe is filled will about 100 billion
galaxies. Each galaxy is a collection of about 100
billion individual stars of which SUN is one> This
means that there are about
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the
universe.
2. All galaxies are rushing AWAY
FROM EACH OTHER. The analogy here is as follows:
take a ballon, blow it up part way and use a magic
marker to put some dots(galaxies) on the surface.
Now continue to blow up the balloon. You will note
that NO MATTER WHAT DOT YOU ARE ON, ALL THE DOTS
SEEM TO MOVE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. This is what is
meant by the BIG BANG...since that time 15 billion
years ago, all matter in the universe is moving
apart. This is the style of motion at the largest
scale. However, at smaller scales there are other
motions.
One of these is the SUN's. The sun
is moving around the center of our galaxy, the
MILKY WAY, once every 250 million years. The
planets tag along with the sun.
Because the
gravity of the sun is so large, the planets
revolve about it much as the moon revolves around
the earth. But all these motions are occuring at
the same time...so really the moon like the earth
is going around the sun at the same time the earth
moves about the sun, at the same time the sun
moves around the center of the MILKY WAY, at the
same time the milky way galaxy moves apart from
other galaxies, as part of the expansion due to
the big bang.
(To find out more about all
this, check out the popular magazine called
ASTRONOMY; it is for high school students but
smart 6th graders can benefit)
| | Answer 2:
One can always describe a motion in a large number
of ways...however, when considering the sun earth
system, one logical way is to define the center of
gravity of the system and to desribe the motion of
both the sun and earth as moving around the common
center of gravity. Now since the Sun is so much
more massive than the earth, the common center of
gravity is PRACTICALLY coincident with the sun
itself. So, the best way to describe the motion is
to imagine the earth moving about the center of
the sun.
| | Answer 3:
How do we know that the Earth revolves around the
Sun? Before Copernicus,
Westerners believed that the Earth was at the
center of the universe and that the Sun revolved
around the Earth, as did the stars and the
planets. The Sun, however, does not merely rise
in the east and set in the west. You can see for
yourself that the Sun only rises directly in the
east on the equinoxes: at all other times of the
year, it rises in the northeast (summer) or
southeast (winter). Also, the Sun moves with
respect to the stars: the Sun wanders through the
12 constellations of the zodiac, coming back to
its starting point after 1 year.
The
complicated motion of the Sun forced the ancients
to develop a very complicated model of the Sun
orbiting the Earth. Eventually people realized
that all the motions of the Sun could be explained
very simply with
A) the Earth rotating on
a tilted axis once every 24 hours and,
B)
the Earth orbiting the Sun once per
year.
You are right that you are free to
choose the "center" of your universe wherever you
like. However, the explanation you will have to
come with for the motions of the stars and planets
may become so horribly complicated that you may
wish you had chosen a more natural place to be
your center. So basically, we say the Earth goes
around the Sun because it's much, much easier than
the other way around.
Questions: If you
wanted to say that the Sun orbited the Earth once
every 24 hours, what other motions would you have
to add to make it set in the northeast in the
summer and the southeast in the winter? At the
North Pole, the sun NEVER sets during the summer
-- it just circles around the sky, fairly close to
the horizon. How would this be explained by the
Sun circling the Earth? | | Answer 4:
You are right that the "center" of anything can be
relative. We commonly think of the sun as the
center of our solar system, but our solar system
moves relative to the center of our galaxy, and
our galaxy moves relative to other galaxies, etc.
The important underlying point has to do
with gravity. The force of gravity causes any two
objects with mass to attract EACH OTHER. This
means that the sun is also moved a little bit by
the earth, but the sun has much greater mass, so
it seems that the sun is fixed while the earth is
revolving around it. If the earth and sun had
equal masses then they would revolve around each
other with the center of revolution half way in
between.
Think about swinging a ball on a
long string around your head. If the ball is very
light (compared to you), then the ball will not
tug you out of place at all. But if you swing a
bowling ball, you will have to lean back away from
the ball to keep your balance, because the ball is
pulling very hard on you. | | Answer 5:
The best answer I can think of about the sun
revolving about the Earth dilema is that
1) If you think of the center of mass of
the solar system, the Sun is very close to the
center of mass, while the Earth orbits at a much
greater distance. So if you were an alien viewing
our solar system from some other star, it would
look to you like the Earth is rotating about the
sun. The Sun orbits about the center of mass of
the solar system too, but if I remember right, the
center of mass of the solar system lies within the
sun, so the sun doesn't have a very big orbit: it
just wobbles a bit with the motion of the other
planets. One of the reasons it took me so long to
reply is I was waiting for a response from a
physics and astronomy instructor about that last
point to confirm it, but I haven't heard
back.
2) It is absolutely true that in an
Earth-centered reference frame the sun rotates
about the Earth, but, the other planets do not
have orbits around the Earth. From a sun-centered
reference frame all planets revolve around the
sun, so that's another reason the sun-centered
reference frame is more convenient. If you track
a planet's motion across the night sky over the
course of months you will see it retrogress, or go
backwards from its normal direction for a few days
or so at a time. When astronomers (like Galileo?
I wish I remembered) first noticed this they knew
it was evidence that the planets do not revolve
around the Earth. You could look for planet
retrogression as an assignment for your class by
asking your students to track some planets across
the night sky with the rest of the stars as a
reference frame. I did that once when I was a
student in Minnesota. It's amazing what you can
see with just the naked eye and a pencil and
paper!
I bet COSMOS by Carl Sagan would
be a reference that would have information about
retrogression.
| | Answer 6:
Specifically, the earth and sun revolve around a
mutual center of mass (which is very close to the
center of the sun). No, the sun is not fixed, but
is in its own orbit around the center of the
galaxy (the milky way) -- which is also in motion.
How we know that the earth orbits the sun and not
the reverse is that relativity assures us that
physical laws are similar in any moving frame --
however, objects in a circular orbit are actually
in an accelerating frame. It is thus possible to
make a local measurement of that acceleration. For
example, if you took a pail of water and spun it,
the surface would assume a parabolic shape.
Similarly, if you were to stand at the north pole
with a large pail, the surface would deform a
small but measurable amount due to the earth's
rotation. It is in fact possible to measure this
rotation and indeed the rotation of the earth
about the sun directly, with careful measurements.
Recently, the measurements of the
cosmological black body radiation have been shown
to indicate a slight red shift indicating a net
motion relative to the observable universe as we
understand it. So, with a universe so full of
stuff, even constant velocity is not completely
relative!
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