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If we know of sun based systems throughout space,
is it possible to have a system based on massive
planets or other bodies (excluding black holes,)
or would the mass be too great that it collapses
in on itself? |
Question Date: 2014-03-11 | | Answer 1:
I assume you're referring to planetary systems?
In principle, sure, you can have smaller planets
orbiting a single larger planet-like object. In
fact, we have systems like these in our own solar
system: Jupiter and Saturn have tons of moons, so
each of them look like a mini planetary system!
Even the Earth has the moon orbiting around it, so
we look like a planetary system with only one
planet! Of course, it's true that Jupiter and
Saturn themselves are orbiting the Sun, so what
you're probably asking is if it's possible to have
a planetary system like Jupiter and its moons
which is not orbiting a star. As far as I know, I
don't think these sorts of planetary systems can
be formed the way solar systems are usually
formed. That's because solar systems usually form
when a large cloud of hydrogen and dust collapses
under its own gravity: when enough of the hydrogen
has collapsed, it starts to undergo nuclear fusion
and turns into a star, and the rest of the
hydrogen and dust in the cloud ends up forming
planets orbiting the star.
However, it is possible for solar systems
formed in this way to sometimes eject or "kick
out" one of their planets. If this happened to a
planet like Jupiter, which has many moons orbiting
around it, the end result would be a solitary
planet with moons, which looks like one of the
planetary systems you're referring to.
Unfortunately, it's hard for us to know if
these sorts of systems exists, and if they do, how
many there are, because without a star to give off
light, they'd be almost impossible to see! So
everything I've said is mostly my guesswork, and
is not based on observational evidence.
| | Answer 2:
A massive planet or other massive body can acquire
other smaller planets, moons, and other masses
into its orbit. It doesn't meet the definition of
a solar system, which would have to have a star at
the center, but gravity is gravity and it applies
to planets as well as stars. In fact, it is indeed
the great mass of our sun that causes the planets
to into orbit with it. Our sun is much more
massive than any of the planets in our solar
system.
| | Answer 3:
This is an interesting question. While it has been
discovered that there are planets that are larger
than our sun outside of our solar system, I don't
believe that any planetary systems with a planet
at the center have been found.
It appears that planets need the debris
surrounding either a protostar (a precursor to a
star in nebula) or a dead star (after an
explosion) in order to form.
Regarding the second part of your question:
such a planet would have to be extremely dense or
extremely massive. This phenomena of a body
collapsing on itself is something that is seen in
supergiant stars that undergo supernovas, or white
dwarf stars that have exceeded what is called the
"Chandrasekhar limit," the limit above which the
electron degeneracy pressure in the dwarf star's
core is not enough to balance the star's own
gravity. The white dwarf stars undergo collapse,
and turn into another object, such as a neutron
star or black hole.
| | Answer 4:
You can have planetary systems in orbit around
even black holes, so the answer is yes. We've seen
planets in orbits around many different sizes of
stars, now, including pulsars, indicating that the
planets somehow survived (or were created from the
debris from) a supernova explosion. The closer a
planet is to its parent star, the faster it
orbits, but if it has enough angular momentum, it
can still orbit. Large stars tend to have large
radii, though, which limits how close a planet
could be; Earth and even Mars, for example, are
inside the radius of the star Betelgeuse, but
Jupiter isn't, and there could easily be a planet
in Jupiter's orbit around Betelgeuse. The most
voluminous red giants have radii that extend past
the orbit of Saturn, but not to that of Uranus or
Neptune, so even they can have planets.
The planets orbit the sun because the sun has
mass, not because the sun is a star. Anything that
has mass can have satellites orbiting it. We see
this even in our own planetary system; after all,
the moon is in orbit around the Earth just as the
Earth orbits the sun. If a planet with moons like
the Earth were ejected from the solar system,
those moons would go with it.
Lastly, black holes have gravity because they
have mass, just like anything else. Because black
holes take up so little volume, it is possible to
get much closer to a black hole than it is any
other kind of star, and as a result it is possible
to get much more powerful gravitational fields
from a black hole than from anything else in the
universe, but only because the strength of gravity
increases the closer you are to the gravitating
object. If you were to remove the sun from our
solar system and replace it with a black hole of
the same mass, the Earth would continue to orbit
the black hole in the same 365 days that it takes
the Earth to orbit the sun.
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